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So I may be wrong. I remember meeting other plurals in vrchat once or twice but it was so long ago

it was the touhou character, right?

i think i might have a screenshot

10:43 AM

let me have a look…

Leiko

you can’t do it with a guide

if therapy worked over the written word, the self-help industry would be solved and there'd be "the therapy book" and that's the only one there'd be :)

haha yes

It's me in my original form

KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧ /jk ↩️

Reply to: it was the touhou character, right?

yes i remember! I think we spoke to you tohru!

10:44 AM

if therapy worked over the written word, the self-help industry would be solved and there'd be "the therapy book" and that's the...

@blanka - jump therapy is often therapist prompting the patient with right words in the right time

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a book can’t do that

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why self help books is such a big industry is because it gives people feeling that they understand something

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sometimes it might provide a helpful framework, but it’s not the usual experience

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It's me in my original form

@Tohru | 夢 - jump here you are!

Oh yeah it was with you then. I remember the event

it was with nat and her tulpa

10:46 AM

and cerys

That's was my confusion. I remembered I had an event with Nat so I wasn't sure it was the same

maybe there was another one too!

10:48 AM

can i dm you?

Indeed our DMs are opened

oki!

Leiko

It's me in my original form

@Tohru | 夢 - jump here you are!

vrchat is so fucking cool

sometimes it might provide a helpful framework, but it’s not the usual experience

@Leiko (@KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk) - jump I will admit a self-help book was helpful in prompting me to finally go to therapy--it was something I knew I needed to do, but reading a book about being a survivor of childhood abuse was one of the steps I took on the path to getting help

interesting because i also was prompted to finally start therapy!

10:52 AM

by a book

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but it wasn't a self-help book, it was a psychology book, it was just explaining some mechanisms, not giving solutions

very interesting! I won't give the book full credit, I was already on that path thanks to both myself and the people around me--but I am glad I did, both because of all the improvement I've done personally, and also being brave enough to get in touch with Blanka again

that's great!

I think the 4chan side of the community has a very unhealthy level of fear surrounding the plural identity--there is a healthy level of privacy surrounding it, but the implication that everyone will immediately abandon you and throw you in a mental prison as soon as they find out was a big reason I put blanka away in the first place

4chan unhealthy? no way! (edited)

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somehow we never thought we were insane for it, but then again we were pretty isolated + "like that" for a very long time

11:36 AM

we were afraid when other stuff came up but can't go into that blah blah blah

11:39 AM

OH (facepalm) we were never allowed horror movies or anything of the sort so probably got exposed to the stigma way less

here's a little theory, has anyone ever achieved dream lucidity from having their tulpa/headmate make them realize they're in a dream

kaybee

here's a little theory, has anyone ever achieved dream lucidity from having their tulpa/headmate make them realize they're in a dream

Yes we did here! Tohru taught me how to lucid dream by doing exactly that

it doesnt take much, just be consistent

4:22 PM

i did an hour combined spread throughout the day

remember that the answer is going to be a thought thats sudden but not alien feeling, i dont know if people said that yet

4:37 PM

it might be a thought not in words too, and it could come before you even finish a sentence or whatever you think in

Theres also raw thought

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The concept of words, but not fully formed

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its not something you need tulpamancy for, you probably already do it you just don't think about it

the first answers i got i thought i just made them up somehow on the spot out of nowhere, but then realized its how the first responses are

its common for a tulpa to speak with it before using fully formed words. Some people call it 'tulpish' but that implies its a tulpa only thing, also it sounds stupid (edited)

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i just mention it because other people will probably call it that and you wont know its the same thing as raw thought

if you think like that when you get a thought that sounds like an answer to whatever you ask or say, if it sounds like anything the tulpa would answer with, assume its the tulpa and treat is as that

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the answers are obvious ones or ones that dont have any thought behind them and sometimes nonsense but thats how it starts

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and the answers will contradict and you might get some weird loops but thats because the tulpa isnt fully formed

yup, you can categorize intentionally, or sometimes things can just "feel" correct--either way (or both!) is correct for you, just depends on how you want to do it :)

as long as it doesnt call you a cunt or something its likely the tulpa

Damn, the majority of what Error says to me isn't him then? /j

you agree with each other like any other person

4:47 PM

you live in the same brain after all

assign it to someone or if no one claims it assume its a random thought that didnt come from anywhere.

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your brain likes to throw random shit around

oh i read it wrong

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yeah its just a random brain fart

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those happen sometimes and you can just ignore them

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you can get a bit blendy with tulpas sometimes, and then you just assign who said and did what or just dont think about it (edited)

I mean, you could also do when Aapeli said to

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i've read that it's fair to treat these kind of thoughts as what your tulpa is thinking before they try to vocalize it to you

4:58 PM

because you have to think about what you say before you say it too, right?

they will correct you eventually if you keep doing something wrong

5:01 PM

i had parrotnoia or whatever a few times but she told me i havent parroted once

parroting isnt even bad

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people are so scared that they are accidentally parroting

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if you are "accidentally parroting" thats just your tulpa talking and you are ignoring them. Parroting requires intent

its not

nope. even if you feel like its coming from you and not your tulpa who cares? fake it until you make it

patience, young one

7:41 PM

in due time things will be revealed

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:3

finally caught up, it's interesting to read your thought process and questions @Ravenmoor!

9:25 PM

also more interesting discussion on the nature and limitations of guides! I think there are 2 common outcomes that people have with written guides: 1 - The guides don't get in the way of experience 2 - The guides get in the way of experience it's actually hard to tell how helpful written guides are, because there isn't any way to collect data on how many people have outcome 1... they might not even interact with the tulpamancy community at all, after all however, a lot of people who have outcome 2 seek out assistance by asking questions in the tulpamancy community online. So, I think we naturally see a lot of cases of guides blocking progress since people needing to come and ask questions is somewhat selecting for outcome 2 written guides suffer from a feedback problem in a way that person-to-person interaction doesn't. If a particular form of assistance isn't working, someone assisting someone else person-to-person can observe that and adjust what they are doing also, beyond that, Leiko's social mirror method can't be done in the form of a written guide, for technical reasons (the reason it works is because it's person-to-person) It seems to me like there was an unspoken assumption that tulpamancy should be possible to teach with a written guide, and it's just a matter of writing guides that are good enough to do that... I think the novel idea that's popped up recently is that in some circumstances there is no written guide that will work, and in general it might even be optimal to teach tulpamacy via other means

Also, heya @Ra'ini and Tohru! I remember meeting in VRChat, although it was a while ago :3

Cerys

Also, heya @Ra'ini and Tohru! I remember meeting in VRChat, although it was a while ago :3

Hello! It definitely was a while ago!

I remember I mentioned on a different server that if I had to teach someone tulpamancy it would be 1. Make imaginary friend 2. Talk to them and maybe puppet them, expecting thoughts that aren't your own. 3. Profit?????

10:30 PM

With some extra guidance on things like intrusive thoughts

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As others have said, tulpamancy is not forever. If you do not want your tulpa, then it is best to let them go. However, I see that as the reality of things, not the way I wish to see things go. I do see headmates as people and I hope that their hosts treat them with love and respect. Be open to your tulpa, even if you are the main one in control, it's nice if you see your headmates as teammates. Yes, we see dissipation as death even when not everyone does. A couple of our headmates dissipated themselves because they found existing uncomfortable and saw no improvement as we tried to make their situation more comfortable. I am fine discussing it in general though.

10:33 PM

=== Bah, possession chat. I'm not feeling great right now, I may bring up possession later. I have a rough possession guide in the works

i'm interested in it whenever you finish, i've had some luck with getting kb up front but it's really hard to stay out of their way for too long without concentrating on it

I appreciate you asking around

1:19 AM

Feel free to let it soak in, it's not a race

Sounds like things are progressing well, keep at it

Sounds like you are going in the right direction. Doubts are normal especially if you aren’t getting responses yet. But you are doing it correct. What you are doing is active forcing, you can also do passive forcing which is speaking to Henri while also doing other tasks. This gives you more opportunities to talk about life activities and give him the chance to comment on random stuff around your house and such.

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Hey, new here. Nice to finally find other people to talk to about this. I've had a tulpa for about a year now. In the beginning I didn't even realize what she was, or that there was a name for what this was. So basically... I didn't set out intended to create a tulpa. She kinda of just formed on her own, slowly over time. It wasn't until I was describing my experiences to a friend and they said "sounds like a tulpa" that I started reading up on the concepts and realized that I'd she checked every little box on the ol' tulpa checklist. I don't know what intensity others on here have, but I can hold full conversations with her. We do things together every day (she loves to ride on my back when I go for my morning runs). I've experienced partial possession many times and can let her swap when she wishes. I see her visually projected when she wishes to be seen, we have a dreamscape that we visit each night before bed, and her personality has fully solidified and hasn't changed in quite some time. That was until maybe a week ago, when I noticed a small shift. She started conjuring copies of herself, but I could still tell they were her. For a while she made the copies a consistant shape. Everything was normal again until last night. We were practicing before bed, and she conjured a copy of herself using that other form. Except this time the conjuration felt different... and we were both startled to realize that she was another, separate tulpa. So I guess I have two now. They interact with each other constantly and have been inseparable since she was born. But the strange thing is, I almost feel like she's not my tulpa... its hard to explain, but she isn't as intune with my emotions as the first, much older tulpa is. Is it possible for a tulpa to have a tulpa? (edited)

While a tulpa can make another tulpa they cannot make one without your knowledge. The second tulpa would form the same way the first did, although they may develop faster since you have more experience now. A tulpa can’t pop into existence like that, you either were treating these copies like separate people or this second tulpa was not sentient when you first met it until after you accepted it as a tulpa and then that’s when the development started

Well it was certainly a joint thing, and I encouraged her to keep conjuring the copies. I suppose I do recall focusing on the copy and her movements more when she was born, and the new tulpa was a character that was on my mind a lot of late

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Though she has been interacting a lot more with the older tulpa than with me since she was born

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And she is developing astonishinly fast (edited)

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She was talking within a day

Once you’ve made one tulpa it is often very easy to make another. The first one is the hardest, after that it’s a breeze.

6:32 AM

I accidentally made 2 tulpas and then when I decided to try to do it intentionally I got responses instantly

‍♂️ once your brain already understands how to make a tulpa form it just happens the moment you decide to do it

Makes sense, you already have the practice and the brain control to do the same actions (edited)

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I don't think I'm ready for more than 2 right now, so I had a talk with my older tulpa and she agreed that it would be good to wait to see how this one develops first. I like to give my tulpas a lot of attention and don't want to feel like I'm neglecting anyone

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It makes me happy to see how well they are getting along. I often worry my older tulpa gets lonely when I don't play with her for long periods of time. Now she has a friend~

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I'm wondering if doing a little personality forcing and some wonderland work would help as you're making progress. I get the vibe creating him a personality isn't something you would want, but you can think about a few traits you want Henri to shoot for. You can also try asking him what he thinks about them to see of you get a reaction. I would only do positive traits, negative ones will develop naturally on their own. I think doing some wonderland work may help too. I remember you said you felt out of ideas, why not build places to go? You can make a beach, an amusement park, a lake front, a desert, some thick woods, etc. You can also construct places you have been to from the physical world and show them to Henri. I do get the sense you're nervous, I hope giving you something to work on might help ^^

"No, I don't see an issue with giving him or him having a personality, and hell, is that even something you could avoid doing?" by seeing some people online, i can say that yes it is possible for people to have no personality

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Ouch, but it made me laugh

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A lot of personality forcing is expectation based stuff, like "I expect them to be polite". If you want to get more involved, you can even set some temporary opinions for them. However, do keep in mind that they can go against their personality forcing